my vista experiances so far

I thought it might be helpful to share my thoughts so far. I am working on the 5365 build currently with the following hardware :
AMD Athlon FX 55, Asus SLI Deluxe Board, 1 Gig ram, Quadro 3400 with the Apple 30'' Cinema display (@ 2560 x 1600 _, with a second 20'' display.
The Install :
I had to install from an working XP Install and use "Load Driver" to get it to install on my NVRAID using the latest drivers. At first it would blue screen with 0x0000007b, however I applied the beta BIOS from Asus and it installed fine. The install took about 40 minutes, however I do have 4 WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a RAID 1, so I would have though it would have gone quicker :) Most of the time seemed to be pulling the data initially from the DVD.
At this point driver issues are to be expected, installer looks ok sorta no frills, I like the advanced options area to do a Restore and some basic checks. Needs some art touch up, looks sorta like it was a quick hack to piece the look together, I would also assume the "Load Driver" option will be available in a better location during the boot setup, however it didn't seem to be working where I found it either. I heard the goal was a 15 minute install, I hope it is !
Initial Impressions:
I had used a very early build, I think after the PDC some years ago, first thing I noticed is it wasn't "slow", and I didn't have to hunt down a driver to turn on Glass, it just worked (tm). The first thing I noticed was the Side Bar. I don't know if I like where it is, or what it looks like, still iffy on it. I like the way Apples works to be honest. Though, now that I think about it having a few items on the right hand side is nice. But I would like to have more hidden from view. The tool that helps you customize your look when you first load is nice, though I think fading in and out of the backgrounds would be very nice, and the Task Bar doesn't seem to pickup background changes right away, so the semi transparent look looks as if the old background is still behind it.
Start menu:
I like the left side, I don't like the right side. I like the way you navigate the start menu, I like the search bar/run combo. I do not like the new "orb" theme going on, seems to early 90s with the "orb icon packs" but something tells me that decision has been made. On the right side however, I feel like every time I want to access it, I am reading the whole list to find what I want. Need some sorta of Icon. Also, on hover the Icon that appears where your picture is seems to change too slowly. In general, I think something better could be done with the "look" of it. Seems "boring", but more functional.
Media Center
Crash Crash Crash... Granted, I love media center, so I am used to early builds having, well, "Issues". I currently have a custom built media center running rollup 2 that is working near perfectly, so I trust that team will get it right. As for the new layout of things, I was very confused at what was going on, which isn't good - but I have heard they are working on it, so I will wait to judge.
Explorer
All the screenshots I saw before for previous builds I did not like. This one is better. It looks good, I LOVE the new address bar, I found myself using that as primary navigation in a second. I like the view slider, though I think it should be more accessible, like a visible slider. I don't like how the folder tree on the left acts, trys to think to much for me and I cant get where I want to go. I think I like the new status bar, not sure on that yet.
Glass / Overall Look
Its getting there! It is starting to look good, I have been highly critical of what I have seen to date, but this is good. Its not there yet, not at all, but things are going in the right direction. There are still a few programs that are in pain from the ugly stick (Windows Defender) but once that falls inline with the "look" of the system, and little things get fixed here and there, it will feel like a true system.
The main problem to date from the "look" department is continuity. Some programs simply look like they don't belong (windows defender, sorry its hideous) and also we need to pick a dialog format, some things still look XP or 2000 ish, where other things look spiffy and Vista like. Look at the display properties for an example, changing the background is nice, changing resolution is XP. Very abrupt style change.
As for Glass itself, Sometimes it looks fantastic, other times, not so much. It really needs a good background to shine. If it is highly bright/white- it looks like a bunch of black lines. Explorer Windows need something in the title bar, and Icon and some text, something, when you have many open, it is confusing, and it just looks like, well, some things missing.
The only other issues I have with the "look" is that often things tend to look washed out, or maybe over exposed. Like the menu bars in everything if you turn them on, it goes from Light grey to white almost, and say your in Outlook 2003, or Excel 2003, you cant tell where your supposed to type when there are boxes in them.
Performance
Everything started out well, then started to fall apart. I need to restart Glass often, very often. When I do, all is well, for about 20 minutes, then animations start to slow, and widows don't move well, etc. If I leave my PC on for a few hours I come back to it, I have complete video lockup with some Diagonal pattern on the screen. I would guess these are all driver related. I have tried the drivers included in vista for my card, and also downloaded the latest nvidia ones, the MS ones are much better.
Also, I think my drives haven't stopped churning since I installed. I would guess this is the indexer and if so, it needs some work, especially since when I search, it never seems to find anything and constantly tells me its not done yet.
Vista is a memory hog, and 1 GB isn't enough. Not much else to say :)
Annoyances
UAP - #1 issue. OK idea, happens to much. I like how apple did it, just copy that :) I like the little shield to show that it is going to do its thing, but again, happens to much.
In general I am being prompted too much for things I started or clicked on. " Are you sure you clicked the mouse". Needs work and more thought.
Odd Delay in boot, right before the little white bar would go across the screen, takes about 10 seconds, then it loads.
Programs:
VS2005, Photoshop, SQL2005 all installed fine and seem to be working. Napster installs, however DRM is broken which I expected. Nero has issues
That is enough typing for now. I was hoping to use this build as my day to day, but I cant yet it isn't cooked enough for me :) But I see great progress - I hope this wasn't a meaningless rant to everyone :)
Thanks!
Ryan

I'm really glad you're having a relatively good experience so far :o) My suggestion, is to send the beta guys a bit of feedback :o) Let them know what you think, and boost their confidence a bit!
Bug reporting/suggestion sending: http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport
Direct to Sentiments: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55160
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Ryan L. Masanz" wrote in message

I thought it might be helpful to share my thoughts so far. I am working on the 5365 build currently with the following hardware :
AMD Athlon FX 55, Asus SLI Deluxe Board, 1 Gig ram, Quadro 3400 with the Apple 30'' Cinema display (@ 2560 x 1600 _, with a second 20'' display.
The Install :
I had to install from an working XP Install and use "Load Driver" to get it to install on my NVRAID using the latest drivers. At first it would blue screen with 0x0000007b, however I applied the beta BIOS from Asus and it installed fine. The install took about 40 minutes, however I do have 4 WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a RAID 1, so I would have though it would have gone quicker :) Most of the time seemed to be pulling the data initially from the DVD.
At this point driver issues are to be expected, installer looks ok sorta no frills, I like the advanced options area to do a Restore and some basic checks. Needs some art touch up, looks sorta like it was a quick hack to piece the look together, I would also assume the "Load Driver" option will be available in a better location during the boot setup, however it didn't seem to be working where I found it either. I heard the goal was a 15 minute install, I hope it is !
Initial Impressions:
I had used a very early build, I think after the PDC some years ago, first thing I noticed is it wasn't "slow", and I didn't have to hunt down a driver to turn on Glass, it just worked (tm). The first thing I noticed was the Side Bar. I don't know if I like where it is, or what it looks like, still iffy on it. I like the way Apples works to be honest. Though, now that I think about it having a few items on the right hand side is nice. But I would like to have more hidden from view. The tool that helps you customize your look when you first load is nice, though I think fading in and out of the backgrounds would be very nice, and the Task Bar doesn't seem to pickup background changes right away, so the semi transparent look looks as if the old background is still behind it.
Start menu:
I like the left side, I don't like the right side. I like the way you navigate the start menu, I like the search bar/run combo. I do not like the new "orb" theme going on, seems to early 90s with the "orb icon packs" but something tells me that decision has been made. On the right side however, I feel like every time I want to access it, I am reading the whole list to find what I want. Need some sorta of Icon. Also, on hover the Icon that appears where your picture is seems to change too slowly. In general, I think something better could be done with the "look" of it. Seems "boring", but more functional.
Media Center
Crash Crash Crash... Granted, I love media center, so I am used to early builds having, well, "Issues". I currently have a custom built media center running rollup 2 that is working near perfectly, so I trust that team will get it right. As for the new layout of things, I was very confused at what was going on, which isn't good - but I have heard they are working on it, so I will wait to judge.
Explorer
All the screenshots I saw before for previous builds I did not like. This one is better. It looks good, I LOVE the new address bar, I found myself using that as primary navigation in a second. I like the view slider, though I think it should be more accessible, like a visible slider. I don't like how the folder tree on the left acts, trys to think to much for me and I cant get where I want to go. I think I like the new status bar, not sure on that yet.
Glass / Overall Look
Its getting there! It is starting to look good, I have been highly critical of what I have seen to date, but this is good. Its not there yet, not at all, but things are going in the right direction. There are still a few programs that are in pain from the ugly stick (Windows Defender) but once that falls inline with the "look" of the system, and little things get fixed here and there, it will feel like a true system.
The main problem to date from the "look" department is continuity. Some programs simply look like they don't belong (windows defender, sorry its hideous) and also we need to pick a dialog format, some things still look XP or 2000 ish, where other things look spiffy and Vista like. Look at the display properties for an example, changing the background is nice, changing resolution is XP. Very abrupt style change.
As for Glass itself, Sometimes it looks fantastic, other times, not so much. It really needs a good background to shine. If it is highly bright/white- it looks like a bunch of black lines. Explorer Windows need something in the title bar, and Icon and some text, something, when you have many open, it is confusing, and it just looks like, well, some things missing.
The only other issues I have with the "look" is that often things tend to look washed out, or maybe over exposed. Like the menu bars in everything if you turn them on, it goes from Light grey to white almost, and say your in Outlook 2003, or Excel 2003, you cant tell where your supposed to type when there are boxes in them.
Performance
Everything started out well, then started to fall apart. I need to restart Glass often, very often. When I do, all is well, for about 20 minutes, then animations start to slow, and widows don't move well, etc. If I leave my PC on for a few hours I come back to it, I have complete video lockup with some Diagonal pattern on the screen. I would guess these are all driver related. I have tried the drivers included in vista for my card, and also downloaded the latest nvidia ones, the MS ones are much better.
Also, I think my drives haven't stopped churning since I installed. I would guess this is the indexer and if so, it needs some work, especially since when I search, it never seems to find anything and constantly tells me its not done yet.
Vista is a memory hog, and 1 GB isn't enough. Not much else to say :)
Annoyances
UAP - #1 issue. OK idea, happens to much. I like how apple did it, just copy that :) I like the little shield to show that it is going to do its thing, but again, happens to much.
In general I am being prompted too much for things I started or clicked on. " Are you sure you clicked the mouse". Needs work and more thought.
Odd Delay in boot, right before the little white bar would go across the screen, takes about 10 seconds, then it loads.
Programs:
VS2005, Photoshop, SQL2005 all installed fine and seem to be working. Napster installs, however DRM is broken which I expected. Nero has issues
That is enough typing for now. I was hoping to use this build as my day to day, but I cant yet it isn't cooked enough for me :) But I see great progress - I hope this wasn't a meaningless rant to everyone :)
Thanks!
Ryan

It has been rather good, I was expecting a lot worse based on recent articles. It is very close to being usable for day to day work. I am excited and I am not so patiently waiting for Beta 2!
I will send in my comments,
Ryan
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

I'm really glad you're having a relatively good experience so far :o) My suggestion, is to send the beta guys a bit of feedback :o) Let them know what you think, and boost their confidence a bit!
Bug reporting/suggestion sending: http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport
Direct to Sentiments: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55160
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Ryan L. Masanz" wrote in message I thought it might be helpful to share my thoughts so far. I am working on the 5365 build currently with the following hardware :
AMD Athlon FX 55, Asus SLI Deluxe Board, 1 Gig ram, Quadro 3400 with the Apple 30'' Cinema display (@ 2560 x 1600 _, with a second 20'' display.
The Install :
I had to install from an working XP Install and use "Load Driver" to get it to install on my NVRAID using the latest drivers. At first it would blue screen with 0x0000007b, however I applied the beta BIOS from Asus and it installed fine. The install took about 40 minutes, however I do have 4 WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a RAID 1, so I would have though it would have gone quicker :) Most of the time seemed to be pulling the data initially from the DVD.
At this point driver issues are to be expected, installer looks ok sorta no frills, I like the advanced options area to do a Restore and some basic checks. Needs some art touch up, looks sorta like it was a quick hack to piece the look together, I would also assume the "Load Driver" option will be available in a better location during the boot setup, however it didn't seem to be working where I found it either. I heard the goal was a 15 minute install, I hope it is !
Initial Impressions:
I had used a very early build, I think after the PDC some years ago, first thing I noticed is it wasn't "slow", and I didn't have to hunt down a driver to turn on Glass, it just worked (tm). The first thing I noticed was the Side Bar. I don't know if I like where it is, or what it looks like, still iffy on it. I like the way Apples works to be honest. Though, now that I think about it having a few items on the right hand side is nice. But I would like to have more hidden from view. The tool that helps you customize your look when you first load is nice, though I think fading in and out of the backgrounds would be very nice, and the Task Bar doesn't seem to pickup background changes right away, so the semi transparent look looks as if the old background is still behind it.
Start menu:
I like the left side, I don't like the right side. I like the way you navigate the start menu, I like the search bar/run combo. I do not like the new "orb" theme going on, seems to early 90s with the "orb icon packs" but something tells me that decision has been made. On the right side however, I feel like every time I want to access it, I am reading the whole list to find what I want. Need some sorta of Icon. Also, on hover the Icon that appears where your picture is seems to change too slowly. In general, I think something better could be done with the "look" of it. Seems "boring", but more functional.
Media Center
Crash Crash Crash... Granted, I love media center, so I am used to early builds having, well, "Issues". I currently have a custom built media center running rollup 2 that is working near perfectly, so I trust that team will get it right. As for the new layout of things, I was very confused at what was going on, which isn't good - but I have heard they are working on it, so I will wait to judge.
Explorer
All the screenshots I saw before for previous builds I did not like. This one is better. It looks good, I LOVE the new address bar, I found myself using that as primary navigation in a second. I like the view slider, though I think it should be more accessible, like a visible slider. I don't like how the folder tree on the left acts, trys to think to much for me and I cant get where I want to go. I think I like the new status bar, not sure on that yet.
Glass / Overall Look
Its getting there! It is starting to look good, I have been highly critical of what I have seen to date, but this is good. Its not there yet, not at all, but things are going in the right direction. There are still a few programs that are in pain from the ugly stick (Windows Defender) but once that falls inline with the "look" of the system, and little things get fixed here and there, it will feel like a true system.
The main problem to date from the "look" department is continuity. Some programs simply look like they don't belong (windows defender, sorry its hideous) and also we need to pick a dialog format, some things still look XP or 2000 ish, where other things look spiffy and Vista like. Look at the display properties for an example, changing the background is nice, changing resolution is XP. Very abrupt style change.
As for Glass itself, Sometimes it looks fantastic, other times, not so much. It really needs a good background to shine. If it is highly bright/white- it looks like a bunch of black lines. Explorer Windows need something in the title bar, and Icon and some text, something, when you have many open, it is confusing, and it just looks like, well, some things missing.
The only other issues I have with the "look" is that often things tend to look washed out, or maybe over exposed. Like the menu bars in everything if you turn them on, it goes from Light grey to white almost, and say your in Outlook 2003, or Excel 2003, you cant tell where your supposed to type when there are boxes in them.
Performance
Everything started out well, then started to fall apart. I need to restart Glass often, very often. When I do, all is well, for about 20 minutes, then animations start to slow, and widows don't move well, etc. If I leave my PC on for a few hours I come back to it, I have complete video lockup with some Diagonal pattern on the screen. I would guess these are all driver related. I have tried the drivers included in vista for my card, and also downloaded the latest nvidia ones, the MS ones are much better.
Also, I think my drives haven't stopped churning since I installed. I would guess this is the indexer and if so, it needs some work, especially since when I search, it never seems to find anything and constantly tells me its not done yet.
Vista is a memory hog, and 1 GB isn't enough. Not much else to say :)
Annoyances
UAP - #1 issue. OK idea, happens to much. I like how apple did it, just copy that :) I like the little shield to show that it is going to do its thing, but again, happens to much.
In general I am being prompted too much for things I started or clicked on. " Are you sure you clicked the mouse". Needs work and more thought.
Odd Delay in boot, right before the little white bar would go across the screen, takes about 10 seconds, then it loads.
Programs:
VS2005, Photoshop, SQL2005 all installed fine and seem to be working. Napster installs, however DRM is broken which I expected. Nero has issues
That is enough typing for now. I was hoping to use this build as my day to day, but I cant yet it isn't cooked enough for me :) But I see great progress - I hope this wasn't a meaningless rant to everyone :)
Thanks!
Ryan